1 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:05,920 [Music] 2 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:09,090 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 3 00:00:13,910 --> 00:00:11,850 from Australia for science and reason 4 00:00:16,870 --> 00:00:13,920 [Music] 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:16,880 [Applause] 6 00:00:25,780 --> 00:00:22,730 [Music] 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:25,790 yes it's the skeptic Zone episode number 8 00:00:32,390 --> 00:00:30,570 502 for the 2nd of July 2018 Richard 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:32,400 Saunders here with you from wintery cold 10 00:00:36,500 --> 00:00:33,930 wet Sydney Australia 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:36,510 at last the the heavy coats have come 12 00:00:40,369 --> 00:00:38,370 out coming up on this week's show a 13 00:00:42,110 --> 00:00:40,379 slightly shorter show than normal 14 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:42,120 owing to the fact that I've been a 15 00:00:46,189 --> 00:00:43,710 little bit busy this week and I'm 16 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:46,199 preparing for a trip anyway anyway we 17 00:00:51,140 --> 00:00:48,570 still have some stuff for you mind body 18 00:00:54,740 --> 00:00:51,150 wallet report mind good old mind body 19 00:00:58,940 --> 00:00:54,750 was could hold mind body wallet the the 20 00:01:02,210 --> 00:00:58,950 psychic fair and alternative fare in 21 00:01:04,670 --> 00:01:02,220 Sydney every six months I together with 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:04,680 a small but dedicated group of skeptics 23 00:01:09,230 --> 00:01:07,290 braved mind body wallet once again to 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:09,240 bring you the report coming up at the 25 00:01:13,700 --> 00:01:11,130 top of the show and one of the skeptics 26 00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:13,710 who joined us is Trish hand and a little 27 00:01:18,650 --> 00:01:16,080 bit later on in the show Trish will give 28 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:18,660 her report on another issue concerning 29 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:20,610 vaccinations from her point of view and 30 00:01:25,430 --> 00:01:23,130 what an interesting point of view it is 31 00:01:29,660 --> 00:01:25,440 what an interesting area I hadn't 32 00:01:32,210 --> 00:01:29,670 considered before I had this generation 33 00:01:35,450 --> 00:01:32,220 of kids growing up and wanting to do 34 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:35,460 careers in medicine only to discover 35 00:01:39,250 --> 00:01:37,290 they're not vaccinated because their 36 00:01:42,530 --> 00:01:39,260 parents were object as many years ago 37 00:01:44,990 --> 00:01:42,540 what an interesting report coming up 38 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:45,000 later on with Trish Hann Thank You Trish 39 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:47,520 also I'll be giving a short report about 40 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:50,130 one of the incredible and I mean when I 41 00:01:59,749 --> 00:01:52,729 say incredible I mean fantastical I mean 42 00:02:04,460 --> 00:01:59,759 unbelievable products I saw crystals for 43 00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:04,470 your pet crystals for your dog or cat or 44 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:06,840 horse or guinea pig or Mouse or snake or 45 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:09,450 whatever it is now don't forget those 46 00:02:14,180 --> 00:02:12,090 people in Berkeley in California and San 47 00:02:19,310 --> 00:02:14,190 Francisco in the Bay Area head to 48 00:02:20,780 --> 00:02:19,320 skeptic owl skeptic Alcon calm to get 49 00:02:23,539 --> 00:02:20,790 your tickets I think there still are 50 00:02:26,710 --> 00:02:23,549 some available that's June the 10th in 51 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:26,720 Berkeley and I'll be there I'm a special 52 00:02:33,020 --> 00:02:29,850 guest taking part in something called 53 00:02:35,059 --> 00:02:33,030 Skepta tea it's like jeopardy 54 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:35,069 for skeptics I'm not sure what that's 55 00:02:38,449 --> 00:02:37,050 about I know I'll have fun I know I'd 56 00:02:42,230 --> 00:02:38,459 like to see you there if you're in the 57 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:42,240 area I head to skeptical con-com to get 58 00:02:47,870 --> 00:02:45,690 your tickets and hopefully I'll be over 59 00:02:51,620 --> 00:02:47,880 jet lag and I'll have a great time in 60 00:02:53,270 --> 00:02:51,630 Berkeley now if you can't make make it 61 00:02:57,770 --> 00:02:53,280 to Berkeley California and you're in 62 00:03:02,180 --> 00:02:57,780 Oregon why not come along to my talk in 63 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:02,190 Bend Oregon on the 18th of June Monday 64 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:05,250 the 18th of June hosted by Brian Dunning 65 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:09,170 and that will be from 6:00 p.m. at 66 00:03:19,759 --> 00:03:15,450 Pepe's pizzeria which is 20 26 5 or 67 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:19,769 that's a long street address 20,000 265 68 00:03:25,670 --> 00:03:22,890 Maya drive-in bend must be a very long 69 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:25,680 street I'll be giving a talk about what 70 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:28,050 it's like to be a TV skeptic and the 71 00:03:32,930 --> 00:03:30,090 beloved meetup says meet Richard 72 00:03:34,850 --> 00:03:32,940 Saunders the skeptical judge on the top 73 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:34,860 rating TV show called the one the search 74 00:03:39,740 --> 00:03:37,260 for Australia's most gifted psychic our 75 00:03:41,420 --> 00:03:39,750 psychics real smoke and mirrors bid 76 00:03:43,850 --> 00:03:41,430 Saunders changed his mind about the 77 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:43,860 paranormal find out in this free and 78 00:03:48,259 --> 00:03:45,930 lively discussion moderated by Brian 79 00:03:50,509 --> 00:03:48,269 Dunning host of skeptoid media's weekly 80 00:03:52,250 --> 00:03:50,519 podcasts of course there'll be plenty of 81 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:52,260 time to talk with fellow critical 82 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:56,130 thinkers and eat pizza I hope to note 83 00:04:01,310 --> 00:03:58,290 there is no admission charge but we ask 84 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:01,320 you to honor Pepe's pizzeria by ordering 85 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:02,970 food and beverages I don't think that'll 86 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:03,690 be a problem 87 00:04:09,470 --> 00:04:06,570 it looks pretty good to me I don't think 88 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:09,480 that'll be a problem if you're able to 89 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:11,970 make it if you're in Oregon it'd be 90 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:13,890 great to see you and I'll put a link to 91 00:04:19,190 --> 00:04:17,010 the meetup information on this week's 92 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:19,200 show notes stay tuned at the end of the 93 00:04:23,390 --> 00:04:21,410 show for another announcement from me ah 94 00:04:25,159 --> 00:04:23,400 concerning the Australian skeptics 95 00:04:28,190 --> 00:04:25,169 convention but for now it's time for me 96 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:28,200 to run downstairs and have a nice bowl 97 00:04:35,659 --> 00:04:32,750 of chicken and broccoli soup with crusty 98 00:04:40,190 --> 00:04:35,669 buttery toast a little bit of pepper 99 00:04:43,490 --> 00:04:40,200 sprinkled on top and a hot cup of coffee 100 00:04:45,350 --> 00:04:43,500 I can see thousands 101 00:04:48,020 --> 00:04:45,360 people visualizing this in their minds 102 00:04:49,780 --> 00:04:48,030 right now including you well I do that I 103 00:04:59,760 --> 00:04:49,790 hope you enjoy the skeptic 104 00:05:01,840 --> 00:04:59,770 [Music] 105 00:05:04,470 --> 00:05:01,850 [Applause] 106 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:04,480 [Music] 107 00:05:17,079 --> 00:05:13,689 another glorious day in Sydney Australia 108 00:05:19,869 --> 00:05:17,089 it's Sunday the 27th of May and I'm 109 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:19,879 making my way through the precinct known 110 00:05:30,029 --> 00:05:22,610 as Darling Harbour to the exhibition 111 00:05:32,139 --> 00:05:30,039 center for mind-body-spirit oh yes a 112 00:05:34,869 --> 00:05:32,149 longtime listeners to the show will 113 00:05:36,909 --> 00:05:34,879 certainly be familiar with mind body 114 00:05:39,879 --> 00:05:36,919 spirit or mind body wallet 115 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:39,889 of course as we call it I'll be meeting 116 00:05:45,070 --> 00:05:42,409 up with some other skeptics and will do 117 00:05:47,499 --> 00:05:45,080 other lap the rounds of these stalls 118 00:05:51,929 --> 00:05:47,509 with information booths and people 119 00:05:56,379 --> 00:05:51,939 selling no end of crazy 120 00:05:58,269 --> 00:05:56,389 craziness such a nice day here in Sydney 121 00:06:02,060 --> 00:05:58,279 there's lots of people wandering around 122 00:06:05,210 --> 00:06:02,070 the Darling Harbour area 123 00:06:12,510 --> 00:06:05,220 but this ever mind/body wallet promises 124 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:14,520 it's interesting that for many years 125 00:06:25,589 --> 00:06:19,449 many years 20 years the festival has 126 00:06:30,540 --> 00:06:25,599 been paying event in other words you buy 127 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:30,550 your ticket over the years the fare the 128 00:06:37,860 --> 00:06:34,000 entry price increased until last year I 129 00:06:40,110 --> 00:06:37,870 think when their festival moved back to 130 00:06:45,060 --> 00:06:40,120 the heart of Sydney from one of the 131 00:06:48,570 --> 00:06:45,070 suburbs it's free it's free are you 132 00:06:50,670 --> 00:06:48,580 register online but you get a free 133 00:06:53,089 --> 00:06:50,680 ticket which sort of makes sense they 134 00:06:58,670 --> 00:06:53,099 certainly get a lot more people coming 135 00:07:03,540 --> 00:06:58,680 and I wonder if the the ex the 136 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:03,550 exhibitors have to pay a bit more but I 137 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:05,289 think from a marketing point of view 138 00:07:11,820 --> 00:07:06,970 that's a success that you don't have to 139 00:07:14,159 --> 00:07:11,830 line up and get a ticket pay money I 140 00:07:16,469 --> 00:07:14,169 think it was 16 dollars last time I paid 141 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:16,479 for it and that could put a few people 142 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:17,710 off 143 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:19,840 I'm just at the front of the festival 144 00:07:29,130 --> 00:07:24,610 now and it's very busy lots of people 145 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:29,140 here heading towards the festival so I 146 00:07:33,930 --> 00:07:32,260 imagined it once inside and it's inside 147 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:33,940 a giant hole hole number four it looks 148 00:07:45,950 --> 00:07:44,610 Trish it's a Trish hand here looking 149 00:07:48,090 --> 00:07:45,960 like somebody else 150 00:07:49,740 --> 00:07:48,100 nito today I think I've been watching 151 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:49,750 far too much of the Americans recently 152 00:07:54,630 --> 00:07:51,490 and now I want to be a Russian spy you 153 00:07:56,430 --> 00:07:54,640 look like a Russian spy cam you know I 154 00:07:58,970 --> 00:07:56,440 won't say much folks but Trish is in 155 00:08:01,020 --> 00:07:58,980 disguise and you're here to do some 156 00:08:02,490 --> 00:08:01,030 investigating yourself yeah I'm just 157 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:02,500 going to do some more research further 158 00:08:04,670 --> 00:08:04,090 talk I'm getting a skeptic on later on 159 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:04,680 this year 160 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:06,850 gonna go in and just kind of see what 161 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:09,970 people will sell me anything I think is 162 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:12,490 that they'll sell you hope Trish they'll 163 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:14,290 say you hoping Daryl hi Daryl good to 164 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:15,310 see you hello 165 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:17,050 oh there's go nice to be here my first 166 00:08:20,490 --> 00:08:20,050 mind-body-spirit festival no really yep 167 00:08:23,130 --> 00:08:20,500 that's right 168 00:08:27,210 --> 00:08:23,140 I'm shocked so perhaps I'll find out 169 00:08:28,950 --> 00:08:27,220 what a spirit is I have no idea you just 170 00:08:30,420 --> 00:08:28,960 might but it's a lovely day we're just 171 00:08:32,460 --> 00:08:30,430 waiting for one other person I think 172 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:32,470 then we'll brave it I think it's gonna 173 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:35,530 be quite crowded but well that's part of 174 00:08:45,330 --> 00:08:42,630 it's interesting periodically affirm for 175 00:08:48,170 --> 00:08:45,340 me but could speak on a personal note 176 00:08:51,390 --> 00:08:48,180 here being an events like this because 177 00:08:53,220 --> 00:08:51,400 well not so much now because I'm not on 178 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:53,230 TV regularly as a skeptic only 179 00:08:57,540 --> 00:08:55,810 periodically but when I was on TV 180 00:08:59,760 --> 00:08:57,550 regularly as a skeptic and then to 181 00:09:03,930 --> 00:08:59,770 appear at something like this I'd get a 182 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:03,940 lot of looks oh boy and quite a few 183 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:06,970 people coming up to me either just 184 00:09:12,150 --> 00:09:09,850 saying hello or asking me why I would 185 00:09:14,010 --> 00:09:12,160 come to a mind-body-spirit festival or 186 00:09:16,860 --> 00:09:14,020 what are you doing here mr. skeptic you 187 00:09:20,370 --> 00:09:16,870 don't believe some people got aggressive 188 00:09:22,830 --> 00:09:20,380 not really not not too often but these 189 00:09:24,210 --> 00:09:22,840 days I can normally get around places 190 00:09:26,070 --> 00:09:24,220 like this and maybe one or two people 191 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:26,080 will recognize me honor Who I am or 192 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:28,710 think they've seen me somewhere 193 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:31,570 generally speaking it doesn't really 194 00:09:33,930 --> 00:09:32,110 hurt 195 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:33,940 things like investigations I mean partly 196 00:09:44,370 --> 00:09:39,010 the reason we're here is to see if there 197 00:09:46,260 --> 00:09:44,380 are any really obviously dodgy things 198 00:09:49,020 --> 00:09:46,270 going on and then maybe report those to 199 00:09:53,130 --> 00:09:49,030 the correct authorities but also I think 200 00:09:56,130 --> 00:09:53,140 it's it's so important to every six 201 00:09:59,070 --> 00:09:56,140 months to just be here it refreshes your 202 00:10:02,040 --> 00:09:59,080 memory educates you as to how people 203 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:02,050 think you always gain a fresh 204 00:10:08,050 --> 00:10:04,130 understanding of how 205 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:08,060 people can be sincerely deluded very 206 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:11,120 well-meaning people behind moves and 207 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:13,010 things selling something they really 208 00:10:17,380 --> 00:10:14,930 really think is a benefit and a 209 00:10:19,630 --> 00:10:17,390 wonderful magical thing for the rest of 210 00:10:22,660 --> 00:10:19,640 society and I think for any sceptic it's 211 00:10:25,810 --> 00:10:22,670 very important to keep that in mind that 212 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:25,820 a lot of the people we deal with are not 213 00:10:42,550 --> 00:10:38,000 and we're in and the first thing we see 214 00:10:45,290 --> 00:10:42,560 is one of these computer programs 215 00:10:47,810 --> 00:10:45,300 computer devices where they stick a pair 216 00:10:49,790 --> 00:10:47,820 of headphones on you and apparently this 217 00:10:51,410 --> 00:10:49,800 machine will scan your entire body show 218 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:51,420 you pictures of your internal organs and 219 00:10:59,730 --> 00:10:57,120 longtime listeners and anybody with a 220 00:11:01,680 --> 00:10:59,740 brain will realize what other nonsense 221 00:11:04,610 --> 00:11:01,690 that is but it's one of the things on 222 00:11:08,850 --> 00:11:04,620 the long list of products that we should 223 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:08,860 make a first about anyway we've seen one 224 00:11:14,660 --> 00:11:11,050 of those also lovely things like 225 00:11:18,450 --> 00:11:14,670 cupcakes and henna tattoos just for fun 226 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:18,460 earrings and good things too and there's 227 00:11:28,330 --> 00:11:22,810 usually some yummy hot sauce here but 228 00:11:32,290 --> 00:11:30,010 [Music] 229 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:32,300 well a little bit later on and we've 230 00:11:41,150 --> 00:11:36,290 came across the stand of people selling 231 00:11:45,350 --> 00:11:41,160 foot shoe inserts and to demonstrate how 232 00:11:48,050 --> 00:11:45,360 wonderful these inserts are they do the 233 00:11:49,940 --> 00:11:48,060 old balance tricks to hold applied 234 00:11:52,790 --> 00:11:49,950 kinesiology balance tricks just like 235 00:11:56,990 --> 00:11:52,800 palaburn used to do well there's nothing 236 00:12:02,860 --> 00:11:59,300 and what are we passing here crystal 237 00:12:05,749 --> 00:12:02,870 jewelry Chinese acupuncture massage 238 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:05,759 spiritual gifts and the happy urban 239 00:12:12,930 --> 00:12:07,530 shopping 240 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:14,790 because Daryl pointed out they seem to 241 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:16,690 be using the word tumeric a lot around 242 00:12:24,150 --> 00:12:19,650 here and you've seen that a few times 243 00:12:27,210 --> 00:12:24,160 and and feathers yes singing singing 244 00:12:29,490 --> 00:12:27,220 with a woman on stage with feathers in 245 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:29,500 her singing um alright we'll see what's 246 00:12:37,780 --> 00:12:35,810 so all that like this like I'm talking 247 00:12:41,190 --> 00:12:37,790 on the phone you see 248 00:12:45,460 --> 00:12:41,200 and we just passed okay 249 00:12:48,190 --> 00:12:45,470 ACU energetics body healing + mind it 250 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:48,200 says and there are three tables like 251 00:12:54,940 --> 00:12:52,250 doctors tables and there are three 252 00:12:58,330 --> 00:12:54,950 ladies on the table and they're 253 00:13:01,630 --> 00:12:58,340 surrounded by people just pointing at 254 00:13:03,610 --> 00:13:01,640 them and very close or vaguely touching 255 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:03,620 them and just standing there and I think 256 00:13:06,940 --> 00:13:05,450 what they think they're doing is 257 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:06,950 channeling some sort of mystical energy 258 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:11,090 to make the Korea unquote patients feel 259 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:15,050 better but the the impression that we 260 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:16,730 get as we look at them Darrell is that 261 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:18,290 they look like they're genuinely 262 00:13:23,140 --> 00:13:19,730 believing that they're helping people 263 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:23,150 yeah yeah absolutely vital very serious 264 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:26,090 they do look serious 265 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:29,490 from a vantage point sort of hidden down 266 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:30,810 the hallway a little bit down the 267 00:13:37,070 --> 00:13:35,010 corridor on this particular part of the 268 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:37,080 exhibition I can see the all gone 269 00:13:42,860 --> 00:13:40,770 effects booth and the others have gone 270 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:42,870 there to chat to them because if the 271 00:13:48,500 --> 00:13:46,170 orgone effects people see me well last 272 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:48,510 time they called security on me to get 273 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:51,810 rid of me and I wasn't rude I promise 274 00:13:58,370 --> 00:13:55,530 you that so the others are now having a 275 00:14:01,730 --> 00:13:58,380 nice chat and these are the people who 276 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:01,740 sell a plug you put into the wall into 277 00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:02,970 the power socket that's supposed to 278 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:04,620 cleanse your house with orgone energy 279 00:14:09,020 --> 00:14:06,810 I'm going to look that one up which 280 00:14:13,250 --> 00:14:09,030 choice magazine had a few things to say 281 00:14:19,220 --> 00:14:17,390 and what I asked you I asked you what 282 00:14:22,580 --> 00:14:19,230 would a mind body wallet festival will 283 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:22,590 be like without an aura camera behold 284 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:24,810 body aura an interactive horror 285 00:14:28,660 --> 00:14:25,890 experience 286 00:14:33,230 --> 00:14:28,670 the sign says whole body aura and 287 00:14:35,630 --> 00:14:33,240 interpretation only $50 the aura is an 288 00:14:38,690 --> 00:14:35,640 electric energy field that surrounds 289 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:38,700 every living organism arts electric each 290 00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:40,530 person has a unique vibrational 291 00:14:44,930 --> 00:14:42,420 resonance which reflects his or her 292 00:14:48,110 --> 00:14:44,940 state of mind body and inner body in a 293 00:14:50,690 --> 00:14:48,120 being goes on and on Albert old aura 294 00:14:55,340 --> 00:14:50,700 cameras we know your the mind-body 295 00:15:00,610 --> 00:14:58,640 couple more observations there's a group 296 00:15:03,740 --> 00:15:00,620 here getting people to sign a petition 297 00:15:05,390 --> 00:15:03,750 to STOP regulations against so-called 298 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:05,400 alternative medicines they'll be 299 00:15:11,830 --> 00:15:08,850 interested to read up on that it's a 300 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:11,840 little bit galling really to pass 301 00:15:17,210 --> 00:15:15,210 astrology at the moment because here in 302 00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:17,220 the past week in Australia of the week 303 00:15:21,020 --> 00:15:19,440 before when this show goes out our 304 00:15:23,450 --> 00:15:21,030 national broadcaster had a three night 305 00:15:27,010 --> 00:15:23,460 special about astronomy with Brian Cox 306 00:15:29,270 --> 00:15:27,020 and wonderful people wonderful 307 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:29,280 astronomers from Australia taking part 308 00:15:34,180 --> 00:15:32,010 was inspiring and great for the younger 309 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:34,190 generation and there was a world record 310 00:15:39,410 --> 00:15:36,690 Guinness world record of gazing at the 311 00:15:41,390 --> 00:15:39,420 moon so it does stick and like draw a 312 00:15:45,950 --> 00:15:41,400 little bit to see astrology here at the 313 00:15:49,300 --> 00:15:45,960 moment on the corner where I am is a 314 00:15:53,490 --> 00:15:49,310 life-size cardboard cutout of the Pope 315 00:16:00,430 --> 00:15:56,560 I'm passing the open air psychic reading 316 00:16:02,770 --> 00:16:00,440 room $50 for 25 minutes and there's a 317 00:16:06,220 --> 00:16:02,780 wall here of psychics and you can choose 318 00:16:07,930 --> 00:16:06,230 which one you want to see and or you can 319 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:07,940 view you can just come around the corner 320 00:16:13,090 --> 00:16:10,010 here and view the whole opening a room 321 00:16:16,879 --> 00:16:13,100 and there are are about a hundred fifty 322 00:16:20,749 --> 00:16:19,160 a huge here we are at the end there's a 323 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:20,759 big waiting area of people lined up or 324 00:16:26,269 --> 00:16:23,569 sitting down lined up to have their 325 00:16:31,069 --> 00:16:26,279 tarot cards read or their palm read or 326 00:16:36,110 --> 00:16:31,079 the future Spy that well whatever your 327 00:16:39,769 --> 00:16:38,660 how the last couple of hours have just 328 00:16:43,460 --> 00:16:39,779 flown by 329 00:16:45,740 --> 00:16:43,470 I've lost everybody we all got we'd Li 330 00:16:47,150 --> 00:16:45,750 separated and someone was interested in 331 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:47,160 one thing and somebody is interested in 332 00:16:58,330 --> 00:16:56,600 there we go 333 00:17:01,090 --> 00:16:58,340 oh great 334 00:17:02,650 --> 00:17:01,100 some stole just have maximum then things 335 00:17:07,569 --> 00:17:02,660 went flying must have been the energy 336 00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:07,579 now speaking of the word energy if I was 337 00:17:13,179 --> 00:17:11,510 to put a label here on the word or as I 338 00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:13,189 was to identify I should say the one 339 00:17:18,610 --> 00:17:16,160 word misused most often at this and 340 00:17:21,370 --> 00:17:18,620 probably every mind body wallet is the 341 00:17:23,020 --> 00:17:21,380 word energy I've lost count of how many 342 00:17:26,940 --> 00:17:23,030 times I've seen it written or referred 343 00:17:30,930 --> 00:17:26,950 to it 344 00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:30,940 it simply means anything they wanted to 345 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:34,480 mean in any context the negative energy 346 00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:37,450 cleansing the energy the energy in this 347 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:44,590 device channeling the energy massaging 348 00:17:51,180 --> 00:17:48,010 the energy on and on and on the crystals 349 00:17:52,770 --> 00:17:51,190 were their embedded energy the second 350 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:52,780 word I would say would be frequencies 351 00:18:00,330 --> 00:17:56,530 now possibly vibration especially higher 352 00:18:02,700 --> 00:18:00,340 vibration this whatever-it-is operates 353 00:18:05,850 --> 00:18:02,710 at a higher vibration or words to that 354 00:18:07,410 --> 00:18:05,860 effect if you go along to a mind body 355 00:18:13,650 --> 00:18:07,420 wall you might discover the same 356 00:18:15,660 --> 00:18:13,660 yourself well the best part about mind 357 00:18:17,310 --> 00:18:15,670 body wallet of course is the debrief 358 00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:17,320 afterwards and we have to come up the 359 00:18:21,540 --> 00:18:18,640 street here into the heart of Sydney 360 00:18:24,750 --> 00:18:21,550 found a nice convenient pub and over a 361 00:18:28,170 --> 00:18:24,760 few necessary drinks we're discussing 362 00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:28,180 the activities I think you did enjoy 363 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:30,880 yourself yeah but it's kind of in the 364 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:32,860 same way that you enjoy our running a 365 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:34,930 marathon you know it's exhausting and 366 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:36,370 you think you're never going to do 367 00:18:39,210 --> 00:18:37,930 another one and then funny enough for 368 00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:39,220 here it goes around and you do it again 369 00:18:45,540 --> 00:18:42,640 outcomes the week and off you go yes the 370 00:18:47,010 --> 00:18:45,550 wig is off now are you been gathering 371 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:47,020 information for your talk at this 372 00:18:51,810 --> 00:18:49,450 skeptics convention and I hope that you 373 00:18:56,130 --> 00:18:51,820 found today worthwhile in that respect 374 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:56,140 yeah depressingly worthwhile oh it was 375 00:18:59,880 --> 00:18:57,490 nice to see that quite a lot of the 376 00:19:01,830 --> 00:18:59,890 stuff that was on offer was the same old 377 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:01,840 stuff there was lots of stuff that has 378 00:19:06,330 --> 00:19:03,130 been going for years and 379 00:19:07,860 --> 00:19:06,340 you know what over but there was some 380 00:19:09,210 --> 00:19:07,870 stuff that was new that was very very 381 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:09,220 concerning some stuff which has been 382 00:19:11,850 --> 00:19:10,570 around maybe in the States for a while 383 00:19:14,430 --> 00:19:11,860 but it's the first time I've seen it 384 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:14,440 available Australia so I think I'll be 385 00:19:19,980 --> 00:19:17,250 gathering some letters to write soon 386 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:19,990 fantastic well there's another reason 387 00:19:23,730 --> 00:19:22,090 for people to hurry up and get there 388 00:19:25,860 --> 00:19:23,740 early tickets for the convention because 389 00:19:29,090 --> 00:19:25,870 we're all looking forward to this talk I 390 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:29,100 don't know French and no pressure 391 00:19:32,850 --> 00:19:31,330 well thank you everybody cheers and 392 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:32,860 thanks for coming to mind body wallet 393 00:20:01,620 --> 00:19:54,220 [Music] 394 00:20:03,570 --> 00:20:01,630 hi I'm Trish Han and I'm a radiographer 395 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:03,580 and a clinical educator at the Rolf in 396 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:05,890 Salford Hospital here in Sydney I'm 397 00:20:08,670 --> 00:20:07,090 thrilled to be speaking of it here 398 00:20:10,590 --> 00:20:08,680 skeptic on and I'll be taking on a 399 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:10,600 whistle-stop tour through the world of 400 00:20:14,910 --> 00:20:12,730 woman's womb I'm currently investigating 401 00:20:17,130 --> 00:20:14,920 undercover here at the mind-body-spirit 402 00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:17,140 festival where quacks and charlatans 403 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:20,080 prey on women and particularly 404 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:22,450 vulnerable women our latest I found some 405 00:20:26,090 --> 00:20:24,130 absolute stompers here which I can't 406 00:20:28,410 --> 00:20:26,100 wait to share with you here in October 407 00:20:30,270 --> 00:20:28,420 we've all heard of healing crystals and 408 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:30,280 homeopathy but do you know what a yoni 409 00:20:34,890 --> 00:20:33,250 egg is one of the biggest challenges 410 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:34,900 skeptics and critical thinkers is 411 00:20:39,570 --> 00:20:36,970 finding the balance between information 412 00:20:41,340 --> 00:20:39,580 and ridicule and it's an important skill 413 00:20:43,770 --> 00:20:41,350 to learn if you want to be able to reach 414 00:20:45,660 --> 00:20:43,780 those outside of your own echo chamber 415 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:45,670 it's no wonder that many of those who 416 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:48,010 subscribe to dodgy beliefs double down 417 00:20:50,970 --> 00:20:49,330 when they're questioned if the 418 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:50,980 questioning is done in a way that makes 419 00:21:13,890 --> 00:20:53,290 them feel stupid put yourself in their 420 00:21:15,770 --> 00:21:13,900 shoes how would you feel of course it's 421 00:21:19,290 --> 00:21:15,780 a lot of fun to go to mind body wallet 422 00:21:21,860 --> 00:21:19,300 twice a year fun yeah it can be fun 423 00:21:26,970 --> 00:21:21,870 interesting educational infuriating 424 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:26,980 enlightening saddening sickening was my 425 00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:30,730 dictionary my thesaurus but one thing 426 00:21:37,620 --> 00:21:32,760 that sometimes is overlooked of course 427 00:21:40,020 --> 00:21:37,630 yes it's not just humans that are 428 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:40,030 subject to these wonderful potions and 429 00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,130 woo and magic and what else 430 00:21:50,690 --> 00:21:46,480 when I was at mind-body wallet just the 431 00:21:52,410 --> 00:21:50,700 other week I came across crystal therapy 432 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:52,420 for your pet 433 00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:55,090 and I thought I'd read you the banner I 434 00:22:01,560 --> 00:21:57,160 took a picture of the the large banner 435 00:22:06,140 --> 00:22:01,570 at the the store crystal therapy for 436 00:22:11,490 --> 00:22:06,150 your pet established in Sydney pet gems 437 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:11,500 registered its GE M Zed pet gems is 438 00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:14,650 Australia's first crystal accessory for 439 00:22:19,650 --> 00:22:17,980 pets across the country complementing 440 00:22:25,460 --> 00:22:19,660 research on holistic and alternative 441 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:25,470 therapies for pets pet gems registered 442 00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:28,450 outsource the finest natural and 443 00:22:34,650 --> 00:22:31,260 semi-precious gemstones paired with 444 00:22:36,930 --> 00:22:34,660 interchangeable charms to create the 445 00:22:40,530 --> 00:22:36,940 perfect accessory tailored to meet the 446 00:22:42,990 --> 00:22:40,540 healing needs of your pet pictured is 447 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:43,000 one of the products in question my 448 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:45,490 little charm of the paw print on it it's 449 00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:47,770 next to a picture of an exceedingly cute 450 00:22:56,910 --> 00:22:51,600 puppy whose poor is resting on a large 451 00:22:59,720 --> 00:22:56,920 slab of crystals about us select from 452 00:23:02,460 --> 00:22:59,730 an array of gemstone charms 453 00:23:05,850 --> 00:23:02,470 individualized to help promote healing 454 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:05,860 love and well-being for your pet each 455 00:23:11,310 --> 00:23:08,850 gemstone has powerful energy and 456 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:11,320 therapeutic properties to suit your pets 457 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:14,410 needs simply attach our gemstone charms 458 00:23:20,610 --> 00:23:17,770 which can be mixed and matched to their 459 00:23:24,810 --> 00:23:20,620 collar lead or harness and let the 460 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:24,820 energy healing process begin no mistake 461 00:23:37,530 --> 00:23:29,170 and if you're interested the bottom has 462 00:23:40,110 --> 00:23:37,540 their webpage wwp gems calm au I'm sure 463 00:23:42,540 --> 00:23:40,120 my friend dr. Julie ladder the sceptical 464 00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:42,550 vet over there in the United States who 465 00:23:47,340 --> 00:23:45,760 we contact from time to time would be 466 00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:47,350 interested in this in fact I know she is 467 00:23:53,460 --> 00:23:50,230 she I sent her this image and she sent 468 00:23:57,300 --> 00:23:53,470 me back any frowning face but there are 469 00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:57,310 testable claims here for example it says 470 00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:01,620 each gemstone has powerful energy and 471 00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:04,120 therapeutic properties to suit your pets 472 00:24:10,290 --> 00:24:07,720 needs that's to me that sounds like a 473 00:24:11,910 --> 00:24:10,300 health claim even though it's aimed at 474 00:24:15,660 --> 00:24:11,920 animals that's certainly a health claim 475 00:24:19,620 --> 00:24:15,670 and a testable claim each gemstone has 476 00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,630 powerful energy and therapeutic 477 00:24:27,630 --> 00:24:22,240 properties I wonder what this energy is 478 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:27,640 I wonder what it could be and from past 479 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:29,650 experiences the answers would probably 480 00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:32,290 be something like vibrations or 481 00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,120 frequencies and then it would then fall 482 00:24:41,970 --> 00:24:39,520 back to testimonials we've had hundreds 483 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:41,980 of satisfied customers etc etc etc so 484 00:24:47,340 --> 00:24:45,730 there you go another gem if I might use 485 00:24:50,550 --> 00:24:47,350 that word from mind body wallet 486 00:24:53,910 --> 00:24:50,560 this time marketed at animals well no 487 00:24:56,130 --> 00:24:53,920 it's marketed at humans of course who 488 00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,140 are concerned about their their animals 489 00:24:59,790 --> 00:24:57,760 along 490 00:25:02,460 --> 00:24:59,800 of course my dream is of one day go to 491 00:25:04,110 --> 00:25:02,470 mind body wallet with the with their 492 00:25:08,190 --> 00:25:04,120 representatives from the government 493 00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:08,200 health department in tow maybe and maybe 494 00:25:13,130 --> 00:25:10,750 from the RSPCA the Royal Society for the 495 00:25:15,870 --> 00:25:13,140 Prevention of Cruelty to Animals because 496 00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:15,880 well it's not being cruel to animals to 497 00:25:21,390 --> 00:25:17,950 put this thing on unless it delays 498 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:21,400 proper treatment from a real vet 499 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:37,290 [Music] 500 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:39,970 greetings listeners it's me 501 00:25:44,490 --> 00:25:42,130 Captain disillusion on my youtube 502 00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,500 channel called captain disillusion aye 503 00:25:49,170 --> 00:25:47,440 captain disillusion analyse viral videos 504 00:25:51,030 --> 00:25:49,180 of the strange and unbelievable I 505 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:51,040 explained how interframe video 506 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:53,530 compression 3d motion tracking and stock 507 00:25:57,870 --> 00:25:55,570 the effects elements prove that Justin 508 00:26:00,030 --> 00:25:57,880 Bieber is not a secret reptilian alien 509 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:00,040 that those videos of ghost cars are just 510 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:02,290 unintentional optical illusions and that 511 00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:04,090 lightning did not strike a few feet away 512 00:26:08,580 --> 00:26:05,680 from a girl on a beach as we saw in the 513 00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:08,590 news I'm real fun at parties my best 514 00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:13,000 friend is a lens flare I dunno other 515 00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:14,950 people sometimes they even show up in my 516 00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:17,560 videos people like skepticisms grandpa 517 00:26:20,790 --> 00:26:19,510 james randi serve de Soleil Acrobat 518 00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:20,800 Erica Lin's 519 00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,990 weight loss enthusiast Penn Jillette and 520 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:25,120 the actual Beekman from Beakman's world 521 00:26:29,670 --> 00:26:27,370 I hope you'll check out my adventures 522 00:26:32,010 --> 00:26:29,680 interact with me in a platonic way and 523 00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:32,020 even consider becoming a patron of my 524 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:34,510 work you can do all that and more on 525 00:26:50,430 --> 00:26:37,810 YouTube or at Captain disillusion calm 526 00:26:53,020 --> 00:26:50,440 [Music] 527 00:26:55,150 --> 00:26:53,030 this February was the 20th anniversary 528 00:26:57,130 --> 00:26:55,160 of one of the most damaging and 529 00:27:01,000 --> 00:26:57,140 far-reaching cases of scientific fraud 530 00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,010 in living memory 20 years ago Andrew 531 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:03,200 Wakefield or to give him his full 532 00:27:08,140 --> 00:27:05,930 medical title Andrew Wakefield published 533 00:27:10,780 --> 00:27:08,150 an article in the UK medical journal The 534 00:27:11,890 --> 00:27:10,790 Lancet which although it was retracted 535 00:27:14,530 --> 00:27:11,900 and he was stripped of his medical 536 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:14,540 license led to a pervasive myth which 537 00:27:18,430 --> 00:27:16,130 reached far beyond the normal Lancet 538 00:27:21,250 --> 00:27:18,440 audience and continues to do damage to 539 00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:21,260 this day I'm sure most skeptics own 540 00:27:30,580 --> 00:27:23,030 listeners know the story but here's a 541 00:27:32,980 --> 00:27:30,590 quick oversimplified recap Wakefield 542 00:27:35,260 --> 00:27:32,990 used his status as a doctor to perform 543 00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:35,270 desperately unethical blood tests on 544 00:27:40,990 --> 00:27:37,700 children at birthday parties in return 545 00:27:43,660 --> 00:27:41,000 for payment he then used these tests as 546 00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:43,670 a basis for his preposterous hypothesis 547 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:46,640 that autism is caused by vaccines namely 548 00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:50,210 the MMR vaccine what he didn't publish 549 00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,310 in that article was a he had several 550 00:27:55,570 --> 00:27:54,080 financial interests in the lawsuits 551 00:27:57,730 --> 00:27:55,580 against the manufacturers of that 552 00:28:00,010 --> 00:27:57,740 vaccine and was also financially 553 00:28:01,290 --> 00:28:00,020 invested in a single vaccine intended to 554 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:01,300 replace it 555 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:04,970 super dodgy right I'd highly recommend 556 00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,890 you read one of the many detailed 557 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:08,000 accounts of the case if you're 558 00:28:13,570 --> 00:28:10,010 interested it's honestly morbidly 559 00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:13,580 fascinating so the paper itself was 20 560 00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:14,240 years ago 561 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:16,100 but it took a couple of years before the 562 00:28:22,780 --> 00:28:18,170 antibac cyst area really took hold in 563 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:22,790 the UK and Beyond by about 2003 the anti 564 00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:25,370 MMR frenzy had peaked and was having a 565 00:28:29,740 --> 00:28:27,320 significant effect on vaccination rates 566 00:28:31,690 --> 00:28:29,750 internationally parents were proudly 567 00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:31,700 declaring their anti-vaxxer use and 568 00:28:36,970 --> 00:28:34,190 while some were only assuming the MMR 569 00:28:39,580 --> 00:28:36,980 itself many were declaring all vaccines 570 00:28:41,890 --> 00:28:39,590 evil and boycotting even the day zero 571 00:28:43,630 --> 00:28:41,900 vitamin K injection administered to 572 00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:43,640 prevent catastrophic hemorrhaging in 573 00:28:48,970 --> 00:28:47,390 infants we're now coming to a time when 574 00:28:51,370 --> 00:28:48,980 many of these children are reaching 575 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:51,380 adolescents and are legally able to make 576 00:28:56,620 --> 00:28:54,530 medical decisions for themselves this 577 00:28:58,420 --> 00:28:56,630 something I had even considered until 578 00:29:00,040 --> 00:28:58,430 last year when I was chatting with a 579 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:00,050 prospective medical student who had 580 00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:01,490 applied for work experience in a 581 00:29:06,150 --> 00:29:03,830 hospital and had been denied a placement 582 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:06,160 as they were completely unvaccinated 583 00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,290 this poor teenager was devastated and 584 00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,360 had no idea the extent of what their 585 00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:13,760 parents had done from what I could 586 00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:15,980 gather from the brief conversation they 587 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:17,270 knew their classmates were having 588 00:29:20,620 --> 00:29:19,370 boosters and that they weren't but they 589 00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,630 figured the regular visits of a 590 00:29:24,420 --> 00:29:22,720 naturopath were adequate substitutes and 591 00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:24,430 why wouldn't you 592 00:29:28,330 --> 00:29:26,630 teenagers have a lot of information to 593 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:28,340 hold in their heads and if your parents 594 00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,050 had made all of your medical decisions 595 00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:32,240 so far you would trust them to be on top 596 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:32,950 of things 597 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:35,690 so this 15-minute chat opened my eyes to 598 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:37,850 a new age of enlightenment for a younger 599 00:29:42,610 --> 00:29:40,850 generations several months after meeting 600 00:29:45,310 --> 00:29:42,620 this disappointed wannabe doctor I 601 00:29:47,140 --> 00:29:45,320 changed jobs and one of the areas of my 602 00:29:48,970 --> 00:29:47,150 new role involves coordinating 603 00:29:51,070 --> 00:29:48,980 placements for students wishing to spend 604 00:29:53,410 --> 00:29:51,080 time in a clinical environment so 605 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:53,420 recently I've been receiving and vetting 606 00:29:57,370 --> 00:29:56,090 applications from year 10 students some 607 00:29:59,020 --> 00:29:57,380 of whom are inquiring about work 608 00:30:00,760 --> 00:29:59,030 experience because the school tells them 609 00:30:02,890 --> 00:30:00,770 they have two while the others are 610 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:02,900 following a true calling in life yes 611 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:05,290 kids I can tell the difference 612 00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:07,730 generally they email me asking if there 613 00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:09,860 are placements available and I respond 614 00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:11,320 with the necessary paperwork and 615 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:13,700 explicitly detailed the vaccination 616 00:30:18,130 --> 00:30:16,490 information required from them some will 617 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:18,140 just never return the paperwork and I'll 618 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:19,730 never hear from them again and this 619 00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:21,530 could be for various reasons not related 620 00:30:25,630 --> 00:30:23,990 to their vaccination status but others 621 00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:25,640 have sent me follow-up questions about 622 00:30:29,470 --> 00:30:27,230 whether the vaccination information is 623 00:30:31,390 --> 00:30:29,480 mandatory or they simply return the 624 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:31,400 paperwork with large blank sections and 625 00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:33,170 I have to give them the bad news that 626 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:34,790 they might pose a risk to our patients 627 00:30:39,220 --> 00:30:37,490 if they were allowed to attend in all of 628 00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:39,230 these cases the first reaction has been 629 00:30:44,730 --> 00:30:41,510 disbelief usually quickly followed by 630 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:44,740 anger either at me or at their parents a 631 00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:46,850 couple of students ask me what they 632 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:48,670 should do to rectify the situation and 633 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:51,650 my kind of informal answer was well 634 00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:53,450 firstly make sure you have no medical 635 00:30:58,330 --> 00:30:55,310 reasons to have not been vaccinated and 636 00:30:59,470 --> 00:30:58,340 if there is no good reason well you're 637 00:31:01,630 --> 00:30:59,480 going to need to decide whether you're 638 00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:01,640 going to confront your parents or go get 639 00:31:06,790 --> 00:31:05,030 vaccinated in secret adolescents are 640 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:06,800 assessed on an individual basis by their 641 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:08,450 GP as to whether they can read 642 00:31:12,970 --> 00:31:10,370 we understand information and give 643 00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:12,980 informed consent and if they are deemed 644 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:14,900 mature enough they can make their own 645 00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,890 decisions about their medical care 646 00:31:22,030 --> 00:31:19,760 anecdotally we are now perhaps 647 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:22,040 witnessing a new age of kids rebelling 648 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:23,090 against their parents 649 00:31:28,750 --> 00:31:25,130 not with piercings or tattoos Edel 'z 650 00:31:30,730 --> 00:31:28,760 but with vaccinations for some of these 651 00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:30,740 students unfortunately it's too late for 652 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:32,510 them to get work experience in medicine 653 00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:34,490 as they have a very small window in 654 00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,740 which to arrange placements but I really 655 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:38,720 really hope they continue to pursue the 656 00:31:42,730 --> 00:31:40,910 career if they're still keen they've 657 00:31:44,290 --> 00:31:42,740 already shown themselves to be capable 658 00:31:46,780 --> 00:31:44,300 of critical thinking in the face of 659 00:31:49,660 --> 00:31:46,790 arguments from Authority and we need 660 00:31:52,420 --> 00:31:49,670 more of them I believe the children are 661 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:52,430 our future teach them well and let them 662 00:31:56,290 --> 00:31:54,130 lead the way 663 00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:56,300 generation said may not have stable 664 00:32:01,390 --> 00:31:58,850 housing pensions or clean air when they 665 00:32:03,130 --> 00:32:01,400 grow up but they can work to undo the 666 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:03,140 damage their parents did in neglecting 667 00:32:08,110 --> 00:32:06,050 their immunity at least thanks for 668 00:32:23,950 --> 00:32:08,120 listening this is Trish hand for the 669 00:32:26,350 --> 00:32:23,960 sceptic zone from the dawn of time one 670 00:32:29,050 --> 00:32:26,360 podcast has unlocked the secrets of 671 00:32:31,660 --> 00:32:29,060 science and technology to enrich the 672 00:32:33,940 --> 00:32:31,670 lives of billions and now after a year 673 00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,950 where they've unlocked the Golden Age of 674 00:32:39,370 --> 00:32:36,080 knowledge they're about to get warp 675 00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:39,380 speed and go stratospheric holed up on 676 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:41,720 oh no Ross and Carrie we don't make 677 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:44,210 extraordinary claims we investigate them 678 00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:46,370 we go undercover with fringe religious 679 00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,710 groups investigate paranormal claims and 680 00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:50,480 we participate in pseudo scientific 681 00:32:54,730 --> 00:32:52,580 medical treatments and then report our 682 00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:54,740 findings to you and yes we've even 683 00:33:02,110 --> 00:32:58,730 investigated Scientology new episodes 684 00:33:04,540 --> 00:33:02,120 every month at maximum fun org oh no 685 00:33:15,390 --> 00:33:04,550 Ross and Carrie they show up so you 686 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:17,740 thank you for listening to the skeptic 687 00:33:20,970 --> 00:33:19,490 zone now Sydney listeners Australian 688 00:33:22,510 --> 00:33:20,980 Asst in his worldwide listeners 689 00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,520 interplanetary listeners 690 00:33:26,260 --> 00:33:24,320 interdimensional creatures who only come 691 00:33:28,330 --> 00:33:26,270 here to vandalize crop fields 692 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:28,340 don't forget the Australian skeptics 693 00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:31,310 National Convention is in October this 694 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:34,910 year in Sydney at the concourse in 695 00:33:39,490 --> 00:33:37,250 Chatswood very easy to get to and right 696 00:33:41,890 --> 00:33:39,500 on a main train line very easy to get to 697 00:33:44,410 --> 00:33:41,900 and all don't forget this year there 698 00:33:47,410 --> 00:33:44,420 will be a crash so if you've got a a 699 00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:47,420 young one or two and you normally can't 700 00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:49,220 attend these sort of things due to those 701 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:52,310 constraints we'll have a crash with the 702 00:33:57,010 --> 00:33:54,710 lineup is very exciting including dr. 703 00:34:00,040 --> 00:33:57,020 Susan Blackmore dr. Pamela Gaye Alan 704 00:34:02,050 --> 00:34:00,050 Duffy I'll be taking part in a panel to 705 00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:02,060 discuss good old-fashioned skepticism 706 00:34:06,850 --> 00:34:05,750 like hey yo ease in Bigfoot and ghosts 707 00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:06,860 and all that sort of thing looking 708 00:34:12,909 --> 00:34:10,760 forward to that and dr. Karl creuza 709 00:34:15,130 --> 00:34:12,919 Liske will be there too now I will be 710 00:34:17,650 --> 00:34:15,140 lining up interviews with these 711 00:34:20,110 --> 00:34:17,660 wonderful people over the next few 712 00:34:21,970 --> 00:34:20,120 months and in fact I know the Australian 713 00:34:24,669 --> 00:34:21,980 skeptics will be posting up a little 714 00:34:27,580 --> 00:34:24,679 video snippets and clips from upcoming 715 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:27,590 speakers skeptics calm a youth for more 716 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:30,410 information or indeed you can go to 717 00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:33,110 convention dot skeptics comdata you as 718 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:36,440 well now if you're in Sydney this week 719 00:34:41,530 --> 00:34:38,450 don't forget to head to skeptics in the 720 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:41,540 pub on Thursday night the 7th of June at 721 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:44,690 the Occidental hotel in whinnied near we 722 00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:47,450 need just a meters really a minutes from 723 00:34:52,659 --> 00:34:50,270 windy and station very close this month 724 00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:52,669 we have dr. Brad Makai from embarrassing 725 00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:54,950 buddies who will give you the lowdown on 726 00:35:00,610 --> 00:34:58,130 my health record and that's an online 727 00:35:02,740 --> 00:35:00,620 summary of key health information which 728 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:02,750 can be accessed at any time by a patient 729 00:35:08,350 --> 00:35:06,050 and health care providers always a great 730 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:08,360 time at Sydney skeptics in the pub sorry 731 00:35:12,130 --> 00:35:09,170 I won't be there 732 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:12,140 I'll send Maynard yeah I'll send may not 733 00:35:17,110 --> 00:35:13,730 to run around with the microphone asking 734 00:35:19,330 --> 00:35:17,120 the hard questions more details at 735 00:35:22,090 --> 00:35:19,340 skeptics comm today you or if you just 736 00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:22,100 Google Sydney skeptics in the pub or 737 00:35:27,550 --> 00:35:26,150 chat over at meetup - now here's the 738 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:27,560 message from my friends at the 739 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:28,250 relatively 740 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:33,050 new venture called this is 42 at this is 741 00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:37,130 42 comm links in the show notes who tell 742 00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:39,550 me that the world renowned physicist 743 00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:42,950 Michio Kaku is coming to Australia and 744 00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:45,920 New Zealand with a tour called the 745 00:35:51,970 --> 00:35:49,040 future of humanity the future of 746 00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:51,980 humanity draws on kaku's latest book to 747 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:54,760 tackle the unique terrestrial and 748 00:36:00,700 --> 00:35:57,290 extraterrestrial concerns of the 21st 749 00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:00,710 century Kaku will take audiences on an 750 00:36:05,050 --> 00:36:02,630 exhilarating journey through the latest 751 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:05,060 developments in string theory astronomy 752 00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:09,130 futurism and interplanetary colonization 753 00:36:14,110 --> 00:36:11,630 attendees will not only get to engage in 754 00:36:16,780 --> 00:36:14,120 in-depth discussion but they also have 755 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:16,790 the fantastic opportunity to ask KQ any 756 00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,490 burning questions in person if you're 757 00:36:24,370 --> 00:36:21,680 interested in this sort of thing and it 758 00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:24,380 sounds sort of interesting to me why not 759 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:27,320 check out this is 42 comm again links in 760 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:29,690 the show notes for this tour coming up 761 00:36:34,780 --> 00:36:32,210 in Australia in New Zealand and the I 762 00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:34,790 note the Australian tour dates are 763 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:38,390 around November and the New Zealand tour 764 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:41,570 dates are late October and in November 765 00:36:46,420 --> 00:36:43,730 well now it's time for me to run around 766 00:36:49,810 --> 00:36:46,430 the house to start to pack my bags I'm 767 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:49,820 flying out in mid week to to the Bay 768 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:51,650 Area San Francisco to have a few days to 769 00:36:54,850 --> 00:36:53,330 sort of get my head together after 770 00:36:58,690 --> 00:36:54,860 jetlag which knocks me around a little 771 00:37:01,020 --> 00:36:58,700 bit and then I'll be I'll be at Berkeley 772 00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:01,030 on the weekend to see everybody at 773 00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,100 Skepta Cal and if you're listening 774 00:37:09,070 --> 00:37:06,320 Jeanie Scott I'll bring you a packet of 775 00:37:11,170 --> 00:37:09,080 Tim Tams but for this week this is 776 00:37:15,329 --> 00:37:11,180 Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney 777 00:37:20,789 --> 00:37:17,859 you've been listening to the skeptic 778 00:37:27,459 --> 00:37:20,799 zone podcast please visit our website at 779 00:37:30,959 --> 00:37:27,469 wwlp.com tax and to access the bat 780 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:30,969 catalog of episodes going back to 2008 781 00:37:36,940 --> 00:37:33,650 you can follow the skeptic zone podcast 782 00:37:39,219 --> 00:37:36,950 on twitter at skeptic zone visit our 783 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:39,229 facebook page or leave a review on 784 00:37:42,759 --> 00:37:40,089 itunes 785 00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:42,769 you can also support the skeptic zone 786 00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,160 via patreon or PayPal the skeptic zone 787 00:37:51,249 --> 00:37:48,880 podcast is an independent production 788 00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:51,259 reviews and opinions expressed on the 789 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:53,390 skeptic zone are not necessarily those 790 00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:55,729 of Australian skeptics for any other